Tuesday, August 01, 2006

Lord of the Rings

Following the exchange of words of the last few days, I have totally changed my perception of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I got the impression that most of you sincerely believe that Israel is a truly evil entity, and that almost all Israelis are lying, blood-thirsty killers. It's almost as if we're living in the world of "The Lord of the Rings", and Israel is Isengard, while the USA is Mordor, isn't it?

-IB

14 comments:

Zeinobia said...

You know I believe most Israelis if not all of them have the same perception about us !!
By the way I read the books of LOTR , the whole collection even the Hobbit , the strange it was the North and West against the East and South this is just a side remark

Ba3kawy... said...
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Ba3kawy... said...

I dun know why.. but u can say i was 90% sure that u will say that... maybe a 100%...
i'm not good at these calclulations :D


u wrote:
@ba3kawy: you say that "It's nice that u are inviting ppl to an open dialogue through your n their blogs (that's really a good start -at least- between us)". But then you say you don't believe me. How can we establish a dialog if you don't believe what I write?

but here is my reply... it's not mine acctually.. it's yours.. I copied wht u wrote in your prev post... ( sry if i did that without ur permision.. )
here it is...

"You believe one thing, and I believe another. That we cannot change for the moment.

But I beg of you, for the sake of our conversation: please, PLEASE, accept that I believe differently from you. Please understand that just as you do believe you want peace - I believe that you don't..

Let us, for now, not try to argue about the truth of what happened - because that will take our discussion to a dead end. Let us, at least for the moment, accept that we have different beliefs, and judge each other's words based on that... "

;) am i wrong??... didn't u right that??.. if u forgot,,, read your post again.. you might remember YOUR OWN WORDS... (if they were so)
I have a diffrent BELIEF.. so wht's the problem to establish a dialog???..

or we are just talking to somebody who doesn't do wht he say.. or he just want us to believe him in everyword in order to establish a dialogue :S ..

Enough... the rest is history, of course.. :S

EngineeringChange said...

Ba3kawy: I do not know what you are talking about. I.B. didn't write what you wrote....I.B mentioned something about Hizballah which you replaced with 'peace'?

I.B--What do you mean your perception has changed?

I think most arabs do hate Israel--thats fair. Do they believe it's evil and bloodthirsty? Yes maybe too. Similar thinking can be applied to the majority of Israelis thinking about Arabs right?

So are you saying that before this exchange of words you thought Arabs thought Israel was a nice country? This is new for you? Where did your perception change?

You use LOTR, I would rather liken it to the Galactic Empire in Star Wars--Arabs believe they are fighting the good fight against an Evil Empire--but lets be very careful--this applies to the American and Israeli governments--not the people. Arabs still have nothing but love for the American people (not as much if any love for Israeli people)

Lasto-adri *Blue* said...

i got no comment for this post either IB..
all i can tell now is..
please watch this vedio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_XHmLNKjpk

thanks Alot

Lasto-adri *Blue* said...

or you can watch it on here as well..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9166911311236529217


its part from El Jazeera Broadcast -i'm sure you've heard about it before- and translated by a group of egyptian bloggers..
http://houdounisbi.com/?p=66

Ba3kawy... said...

I know that he wasn't talking about peace ( I can read btw).. he was talking abt hizballah.. i just changed a few words to fit wht i was talking abt.. he was asking us to accept that he believe differently from us.. ( in case of hizbalaah ) .. but when i came n said wht i said he didn't try to accept that i believe differently from him ( in case of peace ) ..

got anything??
- it's not abt hizbalah or peace.. it is abt accepting or not... -

that's wht i'm trying to say... please IB try to accept that i believe differently... ( no matter hizbalaah or peace or anyother issue .. just accept that "x" believe differently from "y" no matter the issue i said)

Lasto-adri *Blue* said...

mm.. one last thing
please read this coverage to an demo in london days ago
http://elkhan-elmasry.blogspot.com/2006/07/hizballah-flags-flying-high-in-heart.html

Mon 0eil said...

dear Lasto-adri *Blue*,
Do we really need to SEE these videos to realize? Don't we know already how horrible it is 60 lives taken, when you know how much you can cry on one person… What you show is useless, propaganda to more hatered, do you think the region needs more???

Sheryos said...

Hi,
u've tacklecd my fav book of all times ..
em, Welll, actually, nope .. u ain isengard, nor is the USA mordor ...
actually, none of the above 2, has been staying for over than 50 years now, in a country that's not there's, as if they're the stupidest nightmare ever, just coz europe suddenly decided they want to establish a land for the jews, coz they're not that much welcomed in europe any more

see, even fiction can't be as bloody as reality, a pity, eh ? ;)

Sheryos said...

Mon 0eil

sorry to disturb ur peace and calmness, but LASTO, u should have more sense when braodcasting these tapes .. we needn'any more violence than there's , didn u know that the israeli have a hidden wisdom in not broadcasting such tapes, so as not to disturb peace ?? shame on u blue :P

Dear sir, whomever u're

EXCUSE ME ?? those recording are what CAUSE more hatred ??
Silly me, and i thought we hated all of the israeli'coz of the continuous killings and not abiding by any laws and stuff ..
Dear sir, either u're extremly ... or u're just,....

thank u :S !!

Mohamed Maher said...

i really feel that we are fighting the evil people right there...
i want u israeli to answer the questions that we have asked u before, to know how u israeli people think, do u feel that u are living on ur own land ,and u didin't steal it from the arabs , and whether u feal that we are the evil guys or what !!?? , try to talk more about ur ideas ur thoughts ur principles as an isreali citizens, because there is a gap between u as an israelian and us as arabs.. try to talk more about the main conflicts between us.
and i ask u to let tell more israeli people to share us in this conversation , because i think u will not be able to answer all of us alone.. and we want to hear more than one from isreal.

Mohamed Maher said...

i really feel that we are fighting the evil people right there...
i want u israeli to answer the questions that we have asked u before, to know how u israeli people think, do u feel that u are living on ur own land ,and u didin't steal it from the arabs , and whether u feal that we are the evil guys or what !!?? , try to talk more about ur ideas ur thoughts ur principles as an isreali citizen, because there is a gap between u as an israelian and us as arabs.. try to talk more about the main conflicts between us.
and i ask u to tell more israeli people to share us in this conversation , because i think u will not be able to answer all of us alone.. and we want to hear more than one from isreal.

Egyptian-in-USA said...

I think what Mohamed Maher said is the core of the problem:

- You either believe that you took/stole/won-in-a-war/etc our land because you needed to survive alone away from the Europeans who tortured you over and over in the near past ....... and in this case the solution to end the conflict between you and us is to return the land to us and we will welcome you among us as was always the case and we (arabs and israelis) can build together a perfect middle east.

- Or you simply think you did not take (steal) any land; cause it is your land by god orders and any one who dare to challenge your right is a terroist/fundamentalist/etc ... and in this case: Congratulations! cause you are doing the "right" think by killing/capturing/exiling your arab "enemies" who dare to ask for this land back .... However, you should realize that some of those arab "enemies" will probably resist while they are being killed/captured/exiling and this what we see from time to time in the last six arab-israeli wars (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006). One would also predict that this state of war/no-peace will persist until you completely destroy all your enemeis. Do you think your army can really do this?


So again as Mohamed Maher asked: Are you living on your own land or not ?????????????????????